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      WE Have Moved To www.renaultkadjarforum.com   06/11/2018

      i invite all members to take a look at this our new home    https://renaultkadjarforum.com/   we are moving to a better side of the street    See you all There.   if your having trouble registering look for the activation email in your spam folder   Shedder101

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Dear members 

please use this topic to debate the recent posts regarding the move 

 

be open say what you think but do it here, any posts in the voting areas will be delete. if you want me to stop, if you want to stay here, then use your vote.

 

read the posts i have featured i hope it explains everything but, if you need clarification i get a reply back to you asap 

 

Shedder

 

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30 minutes ago, shedder101 said:

Dear members 

please use this topic to debate the recent posts regarding the move 

 

be open say what you think but do it here, any posts in the voting areas will be delete. if you want me to stop, if you want to stay here, then use your vote.

 

read the posts i have featured i hope it explains everything but, if you need clarification i get a reply back to you asap 

 

Shedder

 

I for one would want you to stay, there has been a lot posted about this in the last few days.  Would like the true facts on and if this forum can continue... I think I speak for most of the people on here ... thanks again for all the work you do ...

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Judging by the voting and all the posts here, I'm surprised how many people are following the forum. So far I thought we're basically 10-12 people, which are participating and reading regularly. We'll it's obviously not true. There's been much more attention than expected...

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45 minutes ago, Roxy1234 said:

I for one would want you to stay, there has been a lot posted about this in the last few days.  Would like the true facts on and if this forum can continue... I think I speak for most of the people on here ... thanks again for all the work you do ...

I think the problem is that shedder can't get in touch with admin ( Motormouth ). Until he can get motormouth to relinquish control of the site , we would have to move . That's my reading of the situation ..though I may be wrong :)

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20 minutes ago, ulfire said:

I think the problem is that shedder can't get in touch with admin ( Motormouth ). Until he can get motormouth to relinquish control of the site , we would have to move . That's my reading of the situation ..though I may be wrong :)

Hi Ulfire

basically your right,

admin needs to do the updates and admin stuff on the site, this isnt being done and the site is getting problems, especially at logon.

where this site is sitting they charge over £130 a year to host it, remember when it went down? somebody paid and it was back up. i believe MM get revenue to pay this from the adverts on the site. 

so no MM = closed site march next year if it lasts that long before it crashes.

as members i have put together a solution that will keep the site going, but i am not making the decision, you all are 

 

i will work with the people to get the site moved, you guys transfer over your quality information, we can all go on abusing everyone lol 

 

have you seen one of the offerings we have had?   Here    its just an open page and is very raw but is what we are looking at 

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I like the look of the raw page you've attached shedder. We've come this far and if we ignore the signs (the other forum, also run by MM I believe, is no longer available) we are only putting off the inevitable. We may as well bite the bullet now and get this new forum started. You're doing a grand job mate and I don't think anybody will disagree with me. Thank you.

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First off I must declare an personal interest in this debate in as much the site that is being put forward as SITE A,  in the post by Shedder101 HERE and is one I quickly knocked up as an example.

Here is a little about me, my name is Ross, I have a regular job, just like many of you, that are not in the TOG zone, though I’m not far away from that myself and yes I own a Kadjar. My wife is a big Renault fan and currently has a Captur. I work for a company that carrys out adaptions to properties to make life easier of those that are physically challenged.

My interest in the internet/websites is as a hobby, some people go down the pub, not me. I have been renting a dedicated server from EUKHOST since 2008 so think that qualifies as NOT being a fad!

I currently host websites for the company I work for along with a UK Basketball team, a couple of my own websites and some Domain names that are only used for emailing.

Since I have been exploring this hobby, I’m amazed at the amount of hack attempts against servers, the countries they come from, and how they are done, it is a real eye opener!

 

Anyway, on with my current evaluation of the situation:

1). You have a Forum that, whilst not currently broken, is slowly coming to the end of its life unless the current Admin, Motormouth, comes out of the woodwork and relinquishes control or has an active role again.

2). The Domain renaultkadjarforum.co.uk details are as follows:

Registered on: 26-Jan-2015

Expiry date:  26-Jan-2019

Last updated:  01-Mar-2018

Unless it is renewed BY the current owner, who I assume is the Admin, it will go offline and won’t be accessible to any prospective new registrants for some time afterwards, which will make the current Forum VOID until that time.

3). The place the current Forum is hosted from will obviously expire at some point as it is subscription based, expensive, but I’m not sure when this will happen although I have seen March 2019 being suggested, perhaps shedder101 knows. The code or software, what ever you like to call it, I believe is unique to Invision Community hence the problem with trying to replicate the data anywhere but this host, unless anyone knows different. I assume the Admin has total control of this too and there is no other party involved.

4). Shedder101, as a Moderator, is very restricted in what he can do as the title suggests. Not sure what means was open to him for contacting Motormouth but I understand he as exhausted all the avenues

5). As we do not know where MM is, we have to assume the worst unless anyone knows different.

6). Whatever the decision, the time for action should be sooner rather than later whilst it is still possible to access the accumulated data.

7). I personally do not think asking for a subscription to a forum right now is necessarily a good thing as I believe trust needs to be built first, hopefully third time lucky with the Forum.

8). So you have various options for a Domain Name open to you, putting aside what comes before the dot, you need to think of your target audience, UK or wider. The Kadjar is obviously sold in other countries and has the same issues so an international feel with .com would perhaps be better. There are members here from other countries.

 

Now for what I am offering:

1). A website that has Freeware Code from phpbb so if there are issues in the future it will be easy to replicate elsewhere so you don’t have to be loyal to any one host.

2). Database will be backed up everyday so hopefully recoverable if the worst happens.

3). Free hosting of the Forum for the foreseeable future.

4). I will pay for the first 2 years registration of the name, lets call it a celebratory round of drinks, only cheaper!

5). I propose 2 Admins at any one time so that there is at least 2 people with full access at any one time and they can communicate between each other by more than just email or messaging through the Forum

6). Moderator(s) will also be required.

7). The transfer of data will be slow and RAW, as the only means currently open to us is Copy and Paste, there is a couple of examples at the Forum I have set up. To complete this task, if we go forward with the Forum, it will be helpful if the membership here helped out as it is very time consuming.

8). Adverts, I’m not saying there won’t be any, but I’m not a big lover of them so if it does happen, I hope they will be at a minimum.

9). Membership to be controlled, Registration will be required and will be verified by email, first x number, of posts will require approval and thereafter away you go. Obviously those that are verified members here will not need posting approval although I’m sure you will agree it is no big deal.

10). Guests will be able to view site freely unless there is anything that needs more restriction. Registration will be required to post regardless.

11). The future of the Forum, if transferred, is up to you, I would like to see it expand to include other topics.

12). I hope that the Forum will have a future as being subscription free, but certainly for the next 2 years that will be the case providing there are no unforeseen circumstances.

13). If it makes a difference to anyone, Tapatalk will not be an option, it has had Security Issues in the past. The forum is perfectly Mobile friendly at this time.

So now it is over to you guys, I’m not voting, not that my one vote will make any big difference, its up to all of you, I can only tell you how I see it.

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Dear moderator @shedder101 and member @duracel3634

I think that time is convinient to build a new forum with domain kadjarforum.org as we not an commercial institution and nor UK only... Start building a new forum on new hosting platform tomorrow and have time to move all useful content. Invite here all members to register again and also all new interesting folks. 

Sooner we will start sooner we will have new, useful, working forum.

 

my opinion....

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Ian    1

Hi all,

I thought I should best introduce myself. I have proposed the site https://www.kadjarforums.uk - this is one of the sites up for votes. We seem to have a lot of posts about this on the forum now so I'm posting this here in case someone doesn't read the other thread.

The site is setup now and ready to go. It's based on PHPBB, an open source forum platform so no licence fee's to pay. I will cover all costs for the domain and hosting going forward. I've also setup security on the site so it's protected by https. Facebook and Twitter pages will follow.

I think what everyone needs now is stability going forward, you need to ensure this is not going to happen in the future and that's what I am offering.

I own and run multiple car forums, including the sister site: qashqaiforums.co.uk and others including atecaforums.co.uk, kodiaqforums.co.uk, chrforums.uk - feel free to check them out for yourself. They all have been running for years, the Qashqai one was originally founded around 7 years ago, I took over the running of it about three years ago, under similar circumstances as this.

Same as the poster above, I do have a full time job (And managing forums isn't it!) however I do have plenty of time to dedicate to it.

I can assist with upgrades and maintenance going forward, I've already said I am happy for the current mod team to remain in place and can promote any others.

I've got some discounts lined up ready to go - GAP Insurance for the newcomers, Car Cleaning products for those into that and a Car Insurance company will be on within the next couple of weeks.

You can now register and post on https://www.kadjarforums.uk if you want to test it out for yourself.

If ever the existing admin returns, I will arrange to transfer all content over to the new site so that nothing is lost.

Feel free to drop me a line if you have any questions.

Thanks
Rob

(Ignore my username on here, the original site owner set it up for me.)

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ok just added vote post to vote for the site you like the best 

i would like to see this completed by the end of June so there is time for all members to see the posts 

 

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28 minutes ago, AOne said:

End of June is too much. All the problems discussed meanwhile would remain only here... One week is more than enough, me thinks...

Maybe shedder needs more time seeing as he's been working his nuts off . Plus we don't want a Brexit situation ....vote to jump and worry , or not , about the problems later :)

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44 minutes ago, AOne said:

End of June is too much. All the problems discussed meanwhile would remain only here... One week is more than enough, me thinks...

have to give everyone a chance 

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I take it that Site A is Duracel's and Site B is Ian's (Rob). Both are excellent and I'd have difficulty in choosing one over the other. Seeing as we have until the end of June for a definitive answer I think it would be a good idea if someone with a bit more 'knowledge' could do a pros and cons comparison for us. It looks as though neither option lets us use the existing data/threads.

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4 hours ago, PatWar said:

I take it that Site A is Duracel's and Site B is Ian's (Rob). Both are excellent and I'd have difficulty in choosing one over the other. Seeing as we have until the end of June for a definitive answer I think it would be a good idea if someone with a bit more 'knowledge' could do a pros and cons comparison for us. It looks as though neither option lets us use the existing data/threads.

The 2 sites share the same type of Forum Platform. It can be set so you, the member, can choose other themes, (How the site looks colours/layout). depending on what the Admin has included in his package for you to access.

Rob has experience of running Car related Forums, I do not, and I believe he has had a Kadjar Forum before and may still have data for it.

I have a broad spectrum of dealing with websites of many types.

There are no real pros and cons between the sites, either one can hold the same data and will require the relevant data to be Copied and Pasted from this site to the other.

A sample of this is at Site A HERE ,The 2 subjects have been Copied and Pasted and are searchable. Any additions to the subject would be posted in the same manner you do here and look normal by comparison.

Rob appears to like Ads which I'm guessing helps supplement the site costs, me personally am not a fan of Ads, especially if they do not relate to the site I'm visiting, but understand why it is done.

If Site A was chosen for the next Forum, it would be Secure in as much it would be https. The only reason it isn't at the moment is due to the fact there is no Domain allocated to it at this time.

Rob has not indicated whether there would be additional Admin(s) that have full access to the Domain, Site, etc, should he become unavailable, I think this is very important looking at where we are right now.

Hope this information helps.

I personally have no problems if Site B is the eventual winner, I would continue to use the Forum regardless, I'm merely offering a free service as I like Kadjars and would probably consider buying another after 4 years of ownership, 2 years to go then!

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I've noticed quite a few  people are voting and putting their tick in the wrong box, ie, not in the topic specific to that domain name, check where you voted and correct if needed;)

Ps don't understand why some folks object to the name Renault appearing in the domain name, can't see it appearing to be an official Renault site and most folks are going to google renault kadjar?

I do think given the amount of eu guys who frequent regularly we should avoid anything ending .co.uk,     brexiteers may have different views :D

 

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