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New Kadjar 1.6 dci Sig Nav 4wd c/w Techno Pack
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Been a while since I contributed to the forum but quite honestly I've had no problems, touch wood, with my 1.5 dci Sig Nav Techno Pack car in the 20 month I've had it. Did 6500 miles without a hitch. Decided, partly because of the extreme winter conditions up here and partly due to the concept "boys and their toys", to go for a 1.6 dci Sig Nav Techno Pack 4wd. Got it on Tuesday. 

Can anybody tell me if the gear ratios are different between the 1.5 dci and the 1.6 dci 4wd, whilst driving it home I seemed to detect a flat spot in lower gears, she didn't quite stall but nearly?

Second question does the 1.6 dci 4wd have eco mode? There is a switch on the dashboard but it doesn't seem to do anything, there's no eco warning light on the dash.

 

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Does it say eco on the boot?

This is interesting for 2 reasons, a previous owner that's bought another Kadjar, and someone that's gone from a 1.5 to 1.6dci. Now this isn't helping with your question but I'd like to know how you find the car in comparison. 

Noise?

Performance?

Economy?

Sorry, realise it's early and the weathers been off but I never did manage an A/B trial of the 2.

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HI       Ours is 1.6  4x4 March 2016  and YES it does have eco mode switch below steering wheel  right hand side (  RHD car ) and yes comes up eco on dash when in eco bottom right on ours but this  may vary as to which dash screen you are using  as to the possible slight hesitation i find ours fine WITHOHT eco but yes maybe a little hesitant when in eco at very low revs  to be honest i never use eco  but  thats  just  a personnel thing :rolleyes: 

J C:rolleyes:

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9 hours ago, turboted10 said:

Does it say eco on the boot?

This is interesting for 2 reasons, a previous owner that's bought another Kadjar, and someone that's gone from a 1.5 to 1.6dci. Now this isn't helping with your question but I'd like to know how you find the car in comparison. 

Noise?

Performance?

Economy?

Sorry, realise it's early and the weathers been off but I never did manage an A/B trial of the 2.

Yes I'd be delighted to compare the two when I've done a wee bit more running, only done 85 miles so far so it'll take a wee while.....bear with me.

I will say that driving out of Aberdeen after collecting the car I thought there wasn't as much road noise as there was on the 1.5 dci, both are 19 inch wheels. Further on in the journey the roads were covered in snow so road noise would be quiet anyway. Give me a month to try her out and I'll get back.

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3 hours ago, J C said:

HI       Ours is 1.6  4x4 March 2016  and YES it does have eco mode switch below steering wheel  right hand side (  RHD car ) and yes comes up eco on dash when in eco bottom right on ours but this  may vary as to which dash screen you are using  as to the possible slight hesitation i find ours fine WITHOHT eco but yes maybe a little hesitant when in eco at very low revs  to be honest i never use eco  but  thats  just  a personnel thing :rolleyes: 

J C:rolleyes:

Thanks for the reply that sounds interesting. I've got a feeling she might be stuck in eco mode since the switch doesn't seem to be working. It was while driving home with the car I found 1st and 2nd had what I would describe as a flat spot and it is similar to that which I experienced on the 1.5 dci in eco. Brilliant! I need to get in touch with the dealer.

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Ours ii a May 2016 1.6 4x4 it also has eco mode, I live in the South Wales valleys so its very hilly and in eco mode its a pain will almost stall unless you have a very heavy foot, and very flat when pulling away from roundabouts. It does show on dash when its switched on...I love it was very good in the snow and very happy with it, but eco mode is pants....

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I have a Dec 66 4wd 1.6dci.I have stopped using Eco during the winter and run it on 4wd auto at the moment.

Even on this mode there is a flat spot before the turbo kicks in but you will get used to that after a while.

I only use Eco on a long run on open roads and occasionally switch it off for a few moments if I need a boost in power for overtaking.

Mpg up to 56 on a long run on Eco.

Mpg on 4wd currently about 47 on mainly short runs.

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1 hour ago, Melville said:

I have a Dec 66 4wd 1.6dci.I have stopped using Eco during the winter and run it on 4wd auto at the moment.

Even on this mode there is a flat spot before the turbo kicks in but you will get used to that after a while.

I only use Eco on a long run on open roads and occasionally switch it off for a few moments if I need a boost in power for overtaking.

Mpg up to 56 on a long run on Eco.

Mpg on 4wd currently about 47 on mainly short runs.

That ain't bad, but what many forget is that all turbo engines whether petrol or diesel are flat before the turbo kicks in, the dci kicks in at about 1400rpm, the flat spot is from zero to 1400.

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Hi NO eco badge on ours just 4x4 one and for what it is worth I think if you had eco and non eco mode and both working  you would definitely notice the difference  😀 it really is quite noticeable as I said above don’t use it need it lift right foot if you want economy I think 🙃

JC 😎😎🥃🥃

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4 hours ago, J C said:

Hi NO eco badge on ours just 4x4 one and for what it is worth I think if you had eco and non eco mode and both working  you would definitely notice the difference  😀 it really is quite noticeable as I said above don’t use it need it lift right foot if you want economy I think 🙃

JC 😎😎🥃🥃

Thanks for the reply and yes there are other ways to get economy but my beef is that I've just bought a new car which doesn't function as it should, albeit in a minor way. So therefore I would like all the functions to work so that at least I have control and can decide whether I want to use a particular function or not. Hope this doesn't sound aggressive because it's not!

Just for the record my last Kadjar, the 1.5 dci was in Eco all the time except when, as you say, I needed an extra boost. I got used to it fairly quickly.

Thank you very much all you guys and gals for contributing to my post it's been very informative. And by the way mine has 4wd not Eco2!

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This what gets me about the Kadjar, they offer it with X,Y and Z and you pay the price for those features. If they don't work we have every right to be missed. If I paid for it I dam well want it working. and not minus Z.

ECO2 seems to be an attempt to pacify the powers that be in that it can, possibly save a mpg. What it does in practise is dumb down and spoil a whole range of engines. If I wanted 20bhp less I would have bought a car that had 20 less.

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Here’s an update to my problems, I say problems because I later found out that the stop/start function wasn’t working either. Apart from driving the car home from the dealer on Tuesday 6th March I hadn’t driven it again just in case I wanted to reject the car as unsatisfactory, as per the 2015 Consumer Protection Act.

 

From the Tuesday until Sunday 11th I hassled the dealership about the problems and finally they said to take the car in the following day. We did and were met with a warm reception. In all fairness I think they were overloaded with new car handovers during the previous week, because they are normally quite a nice bunch to work with.

 

Their plan of action was to put the battery on trickle charge overnight so that it was fully charged and then test drive the car. So we stayed in Aberdeen for the night fully expecting the problems to be solved the next day when we went to pick up the car. Alas no! We spent most of the morning waiting and waiting with numerous cups of coffee and later an offer that they would get us some sandwiches for lunch, or even take us out to lunch. We asked for a packet of biscuits, chocolate ones. The reason for this in-depth account is to show how well they took care of us…..I’ve seen on the forum some people are really pissed off with their dealers.

 

Finally the mechanic emerged and explained what they had done and what they’d found out. The eco mode was easy to fix, a loose connection. However the stop/start was a problem. For it to work the computer must register a reading of 80% of full battery charge, mine was showing 60%, which as far as the computer was concerned was a dead battery. They tried known good batteries and the result was always the same, 60% capacity…..fail! Looks like a duff computer. Their game plan now is to seek help in fixing the computer or install a new one.

 

They gave us a courtesy car, a Kadjar, to use whilst ours is being fixed. I don’t know if I’m allowed to mention the dealership but here goes, it’s John Clark Specialist Cars Aberdeen, a lot of dealers could do well to take a leaf out of their book.

 

A point to note when I asked for a red 4wd Kadjar there was seemingly only two in the country, only one had the Techno Pack which I wanted and it was in Plymouth……so I hope it didn’t come up here with a grudge ;o]

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I bought my Kadjar from Clarks in Aberdeen.I decided to have it serviced locally in Elgin...bad move!

I got great sales service from them and further assistance with my service pack problems. Pleased to hear they are being helpful.Perhaps I will go back there for my next service. Thanks for posting.

 

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On 11/03/2018 at 2:14 PM, turboted10 said:

This what gets me about the Kadjar, they offer it with X,Y and Z and you pay the price for those features. If they don't work we have every right to be missed. If I paid for it I dam well want it working. and not minus Z.

ECO2 seems to be an attempt to pacify the powers that be in that it can, possibly save a mpg. What it does in practise is dumb down and spoil a whole range of engines. If I wanted 20bhp less I would have bought a car that had 20 less.

Just for your info "ECO2" isn't specifically about the ECO switch, it is about the whole of the car being environmentally friendly from manufacturing and the type of factory, to the economy and emissions of the car, how many parts are made from recycled materials and how many parts can be recycled, come the end of its life.

Anyway as for the switch, I didn't undestand yor issue with it, it gives owners the choice, if you don't want to benefit from it then that's fine, just don't use it.

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10 hours ago, Melville said:

I bought my Kadjar from Clarks in Aberdeen.I decided to have it serviced locally in Elgin...bad move!

Anything specific about the Elgin bunch that one should know about?

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2 hours ago, HTP99 said:

Just for your info "ECO2" isn't specifically about the ECO switch, it is about the whole of the car being environmentally friendly from manufacturing and the type of factory, to the economy and emissions of the car, how many parts are made from recycled materials and how many parts can be recycled, come the end of its life.

Anyway as for the switch, I didn't undestand yor issue with it, it gives owners the choice, if you don't want to benefit from it then that's fine, just don't use it.

The issue is there is no benefit and it spoils the feel of the car so yes, it remains off.

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On ‎08‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 6:28 PM, Greyhair said:

Yes I'd be delighted to compare the two when I've done a wee bit more running, only done 85 miles so far so it'll take a wee while.....bear with me.

Sorry but I'll have to delay the comparison, I've since rejected the car as unsatisfactory quality. So I'm now waiting on a new factory build, handover due early June.

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2 hours ago, Greyhair said:

Sorry but I'll have to delay the comparison, I've since rejected the car as unsatisfactory quality. So I'm now waiting on a new factory build, handover due early June.

Sounds like you have /had a decent dealer which is reassuring. I assume you,ve stuck with them?

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38 minutes ago, turboted10 said:

Sounds like you have /had a decent dealer which is reassuring. I assume you,ve stuck with them?

Yes on both counts. But I had to use the 2015 Consumer Protection Act to action the turnaround. They weren't very happy to begin with but conceded that they were at fault. It turned out it was a late 2016 model which had been lying in another dealers showroom for well over a year. That and it had a duff computer.

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2 hours ago, Greyhair said:

Yes on both counts. But I had to use the 2015 Consumer Protection Act to action the turnaround. They weren't very happy to begin with but conceded that they were at fault. It turned out it was a late 2016 model which had been lying in another dealers showroom for well over a year. That and it had a duff computer.

I'm not sure if that makes me happy or sad, yes, there was a period when they were overstocked with early Kadjars, (nationally).  Less popular colours were sold cheaply.

A brave man to take on another after that, I'd be gone to ........................................?, well, anyone but Renault. However as lightning never strikes twice, maybe another is the safest bet?

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