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Can I turn off tyre pressure monitoring?
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I’ve put winter wheels on my lad jar but because they don’t have pressure sensors fitted,  I’m getting the warning lights coming on. I can reset using touchscreen but every 7 miles or so, once it realises it can’t find sensors again, they come back on. Is there any way to disable it for the winter period?

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Tyre pressure monitoring is a legal requirement on cars built in the last few years.

Driving without an active system probably invalidates your insurance.

I'd suggest either getting monitors for your winter wheels or putting winter tyres on the wheels with monitors.

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As I understand it, you are in the UK. Probably it is a legal requirement there to have the monitoring on your car. But worth checking. All EU has this requirement on new cars since a couple of years. But then the local laws may differ. In Sweden, for instance, the monitoring is fitted on all new cars, but you can legally remove it the second you own the car. And you must not put it on new tyres. But the warning message will still be there...

The reason why some countries have not implemented this requirement in their local law? In Sweden, the reason is, that since "everyone" changes from summer to winter tyres, the pressure will be checked twice a year. Which is deemed to be enough.

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The same thing has just happened to me.  What a ripp off buying new tyres is!  Why was I not given the option of keeping the "old" valves which after all had only been on the previous tyres for 14k miles and presumably had sensors?

What next, a sealed windscreen washer bottle only refillable by Renault?

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On 02/12/2017 at 9:13 PM, Karl said:

As I understand it, you are in the UK. Probably it is a legal requirement there to have the monitoring on your car. But worth checking. All EU has this requirement on new cars since a couple of years. But then the local laws may differ. In Sweden, for instance, the monitoring is fitted on all new cars, but you can legally remove it the second you own the car. And you must not put it on new tyres. But the warning message will still be there...

The reason why some countries have not implemented this requirement in their local law? In Sweden, the reason is, that since "everyone" changes from summer to winter tyres, the pressure will be checked twice a year. Which is deemed to be enough.

Perhaps long term it just might make Brexit worthwile after all!  :rolleyes:

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On 02/12/2017 at 8:50 PM, Wife'sKdj said:

Tyre pressure monitoring is a legal requirement on cars built in the last few years.

Driving without an active system probably invalidates your insurance.

I'd suggest either getting monitors for your winter wheels or putting winter tyres on the wheels with monitors.

Provided yours tyres are the correct pressure it won't affect insurance, it will however be an MOT fail at 3 years.

I think they also have to go back to Renault for re-cal once fitted

"The reason why some countries have not implemented this requirement in their local law? In Sweden, the reason is, that since "everyone" changes from summer to winter tyres, the pressure will be checked twice a year. Which is deemed to be enough." .

 

Not in the UK, we seem unable to apply common sense unlike most european countries

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I was thinking more of Construction and Use regulations (is that still the correct term?).

If you modify your vehicle and don't tell your Insurance Co, and they find out, I suspect they will invalidate your cover. Any excuse will do for them.

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9 hours ago, Wife'sKdj said:

I was thinking more of Construction and Use regulations (is that still the correct term?).

If you modify your vehicle and don't tell your Insurance Co, and they find out, I suspect they will invalidate your cover. Any excuse will do for them.

Understand what you are saying and yes insurers do tend to like to riddle out of paying but I'm sure there is something in place that dictates that unless a vehicle is in unroadworthy condition they cannot shirk their responsibility so provided tyres are at the right pressure............................

I Can't remember the details but it was tested in court by the driver of a car who had an accident when his MOT had run out. The insurer didn't want to pay. Because the accident was in no way anything to do with any mechanical issue with the car it was found in his favour

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It's a prerequisite of motor insurance that you vehicle should be taxed , have an MOT ( where required ) and maintained in a roadworthy condition  . Disabling  mandatory safety features of the vehicle , in this case TPMS , would mean the car is not roadworthy voiding your insurance ...if they found out of course :)

 

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The tyres on my Kajar 1.5d are 19" 225. 45.

Can someone please tell me in good "old fashioned" PSI what pressure the front and back tyres should be for normal loads. I can't understand the sticker on the door as it might as well be for me in Egyptian hieroglyphs!  :(

Also, if as previously stated any undeclared modifcation could void the insurance cover. Does that include the Dearler's sticker on the back window or fluffy dice hanging off the mirror?  :rolleyes:

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29 minutes ago, ulfire said:

2.2 bar is 32 psi ..... depends how big the dice and stickers are I suppose :D

Thanks for your reply.

Does that mean then there is no different pressure required between the front and back tyres and that bothshould be 32 psi?

PS. I'm now waiting for a message on the R-Link dashboard screen saying... "Buy a Kia Sportage next time".  With a 7 year warranty I wish I had.  Still, I guess life is full of mistakes :(

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1 hour ago, RTFishall said:

The tyres on my Kajar 1.5d are 19" 225. 45.

Can someone please tell me in good "old fashioned" PSI what pressure the front and back tyres should be for normal loads. I can't understand the sticker on the door as it might as well be for me in Egyptian hieroglyphs!  :(

Also, if as previously stated any undeclared modifcation could void the insurance cover. Does that include the Dearler's sticker on the back window or fluffy dice hanging off the mirror?  :rolleyes:

My Kadjar is 33 psi front and 31 psi back - mine’s a petrol if that makes a difference??!!

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36 minutes ago, Lindser said:

My Kadjar is 33 psi front and 31 psi back - mine’s a petrol if that makes a difference??!!

Here's the sticker on my Sep 2017 1.2 petrol. Wonder why the fronts on that are 1 psi different from Lindser's?

 

tyre pressure label.jpg

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12 minutes ago, Johnbridge said:

Here's the sticker on my Sep 2017 1.2 petrol. Wonder why the fronts on that are 1 psi different from Lindser's?

 

tyre pressure label.jpg

I do apologise! My big fat finger must have slipped! Mine is indeed 34 and 31!

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4 hours ago, ulfire said:

It's a prerequisite of motor insurance that you vehicle should be taxed , have an MOT ( where required ) and maintained in a roadworthy condition  . Disabling  mandatory safety features of the vehicle , in this case TPMS , would mean the car is not roadworthy voiding your insurance ...if they found out of course :)

 

No, I don't think so, it simply has to be in a roadworthy condition unless they can prove otherwise. If the tyres are of the correct pressure then no, nothing breached re insurance.

 

They have tried this many times and always the same, if there is nothing wrong then they have to pay

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Just now, turboted10 said:

No, I don't think so, it simply has to be in a roadworthy condition unless they can prove otherwise. If the tyres are of the correct pressure then no, nothing breached re insurance.

 

They have tried this many times and always the same, if there is nothing wrong then they have to pay

But if you come off the road on a hairpin because your tyre pressures were way off , and I mean almost flat , with your TPMS system is disabled the vehicle is not roadworthy at that instant of time :)

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11 minutes ago, ulfire said:

But if you come off the road on a hairpin because your tyre pressures were way off , and I mean almost flat , with your TPMS system is disabled the vehicle is not roadworthy at that instant of time :)

You need to read all I've said, the whole point is your car must be in roadworthy condition. From my post dated 8:33 yesterday, "Provided yours tyres are the correct pressure it won't affect insurance, it will however be an MOT fail at 3 years."

The argument that because you haven't complied you are automatically guilty is simply not the case

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Just now, Lindser said:

Surely then all older cars without TPMS should all be deemed unroadworthy?

That would start a riot :D .  TPMS in itself is not an indicator of roadworthyness  it 's a safety aid . If the sensors aren't working and the tyre pressures are correct , the car is roadworthy . Disabling the TPMS , as Ted says , would be a fail on an MOT the same way as bypassing the DPF is 

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7 minutes ago, ulfire said:

Understood Ted ...but how would you know if your tyres were the correct pressure with TPMS disabled ? You could pick up a nail in the tyre after pulling out of the garage . 

How do you know you still have 4 wheels on your wagon, how do you know the chassis hasn't rotted in 2 over the last 5 minutes?

I'm being extreme, it's called maintenance and the sensors take some of that away hence the onus is on the driver.

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7 minutes ago, Lindser said:

Surely then all older cars without TPMS should all be deemed unroadworthy?

Lets call it progress, It should prevent ignorant (used advisedly) motorists falling foul of their own incompetence. It would however still need to be challenged to prove a violation, hence not all cars without TPS have flat tyres if you get my drift.

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